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Ladybank er fantastisk og vel vært og prøve. Ellers så er det masser av baner langs kysten, både sør- og nordover. Det er jo ikke langt til Carnoustie f.eks. Har også hørt mye bra om Duke's Course rett utenfor St.Andrews.

Det finnes ikke noen bedre bane i nærheten enn Crail. Det er verdens nest eldste klubb med en en suveren links.
Den ligger kke langt fra St.Andrews har forholdsvis rimelig greenfee og anbefales på det sterkeste.

Det er bortkastet å spille innlandsbaner når det er mulig å spille så fantastiske linksbaner som de har i dette området. Prøv Lundin Links, ca 20 minutter syd for St. Andrwews. Kanon! Er kvalifiseringsbane for the Open.

I would not play any inland courses if I was visiting Fife. Then I would visit Kingsbarns. Although the price of a greenfee is very high at over £125.

Why not play the Old course one more time. I don't know if you have played the course before but it is usually a dissappoinment the first time you play it as the bunkers are mainly blind and many of the tee shots are blind especially on the first six holes.

I have played nearly every course in that area apart from Crail and apparently it is ok. Do not play the new course at Crail and make sure you play the old course that Nick mentioned.

I would not bother playing any of the courses at St.Andrews Bay either.

If you really want to play a tough course then play Carnoustie which costs about £80 t0 £100. Not the prettiest of courses but it is very, very tough.

I beg you not to play the Eden course as it has been changed and only the front nine is the original nine designed by Harry Colt and Dr. MacKenzie although the green designs on the first nine are fantastic. The back nine has been re-designed by Donald Steel and is very flat.

The Jubilee is a tough course and the New course is fantastic. I find it funny that they still call it the New course. This was designed by an Engineer called Blyth with Old Tom Morris laying out the course and it opened in April 1895!

There are so many other links you could play but if you can afford it then play Kingsbarns which I think is one of the greatest engineering feats I have seen in construction. The site was just two flat farmlands before Kyle Phillips and Mark Parsinen transformed the site into a 'linksland' golf course.

Brian

Jeg glemte å nevne Downfield istad. Dersom dere er ut etter en god innlandsbane er dette en dere garantert vil sette stor pris på. Den ligger i Dundee.Den er også brukt som kvalifiseringsbane.

If you really want to play an inland course and you have a car then drive to Gleneagles and play the Kings course. The drive from St.Andrews is probably no more than 1.5 hours at the most. Downfield is very good but it has poor drainage and is not that good until lat May early June.

Another good course is Rosemount.

Brian

Gleneagles Kings kan anbefales på det varmeste, men den er forholdsvis dyr å spille 100 pund i -98. Scotscraig er nok en kvalifiseringsbane som ligger i nærheten.

Nick,

Scotscraig is one of my favourite courses in the area. A great James Braid golf course and good quality turf. Totally agree. If anyone is looking for a £40-50 round then Scotscraig, Downfield or Crail are all good bets.

Brian

Joda, vi vurderer å spille flere ganger på Old Course. MEN det er ikke noe flere ledige tider... vi er 6 stykker som skal dit så....

Det er nok et par-tre av oss som kommer til å satse på ballot noen dager...

Har blitt anbefalt å bruke caddie, hva mener dere som har spilt Old Course ? Og hvor mye skal man event. gi i tips ?


Brian: vi planla å spille Eden da den er en litt lettere bane, det trenger man vel kanskje etter en lang vinter. Har du andre forslag til en "lett" bane ? Vi skal spille Old Course på tirsdag og New Course på onsdag, vi har da søndag og mandag som spilledager før "alvoret begynner".

Har forresten kalt turen "One Week In Heaven" ;-)

Runar,

Ring meg på 95136325 så kan jeg hjelpe deg litt bedre.

Brian

Jeg spilte Ladybanks ifjor; fin lettspilt bane til en bra pris (husker ikke helt men jeg tipper det var £27). Ingen DR.

Jeg vil sterkt anbefale å bruke caddie. Jeg har spilt Old Course kun en gang, og da var vi så heldige å få med et medlem i ballen. Uten ham hadde vi knapt nok visst hvilken retning utslagene var. Han ga oss også hele tiden nyttig info om bunkere, greener etc. og hjalp oss med å holde tempoet oppe. Man skal ikke somle mye før marshallen er på plass.
Til Brian
Hvorfor i allverden har du ikke spilt Crail? Den er bare helt utrolig bra.
Prøv den neste gang. Du kommer garantert til å bli fornøyd.

Nick,

I know, it is a disgrace isn't? I lived in Edinburgh for a year studying my Masters in Golf Course Architecture and I really do not have an excuse. I even know Gil Hanse who designed the new course there.

The problem was that everytime we crossed over the bridge into Fife we always went and played courses like Kingsbarns, The Old course etc.

The other course that I have forgotten to mention is Elie. This is were James Braid used to play if I remember correctly. The first tee is great as the starter uses a periscope to see over the hill to let players on the first tee that the fairway is clear..

Brian

Brian: Hvordan fungerer det Skotske hcp systemet i forhold til det Norske ?

Runar,

They do not use the USGA standard, they only use the SSS handicap system. You need to ask at the starters hut if the course has been sloped. I know that Royal Dornoch and The Old Course have been sloped and this is usually printed in the clubhouse or at the starters hut or even ask the Pro.

Brian

Runar,

Here is a link to the courses you are playing in Fife:

http://www.standrews.org.uk/courses/courses.htm

Cheers

Just for others to know the Old course has a slope of 128

Takk for responsen.

Det jeg tenkte på var HVORDAN systemet for etablering av hcp var der.
Feks. Skriver de seg ned etter selskapsrunder ? Skriver de seg opp i hcp slik som vi gjør osv.

Runar
Jeg råder dere først og fremst til å nyte opplevelsen ved å spille de banene, enn å tenke slag og poeng. Spill heller litt match, skins o.l. Ha det gøy. Det blir også lettere å holde tempoet oppe.

Runar,

No they don't carry their handicap card with them it is held by the Secretary. When they play in tournaments they get a letter from the secretary or get the secretary to send a fax to the club where they are competing.

They only write down handicaps in tournaments such as the monthly medal. Usually they then have to play off the white tees which they are normally not allowed to play off during the week.

My advice to any of you that play against a British player, haggle for a good handicap before any bets are made on the first tee.

I agree with Nick, I wouldn't write one game in my handicap card. Play fourball matchplay and it makes the day so much better on the links.

Brian

Hehe... Slapp av gutter ;-) Ikke vær redd for oss ;-). Vi skal nyte turen / opplevelsen og ha det mega, som vi har vært år når vi er ute å reiser (og ellers forresten...) Jeg bryr meg KUN om hvordan jeg spiller i forhold til par (hvis jeg spiller slagspill da...), jeg er en statestikk-freak og fører full stats på runden. Poeng / hcp føring osv. må til for å tilfredsstille norske regler.

Jeg bare er litt nyskjerrig på forskjellene på feks. hcp i enkelte land. I Scotland hvis man har et lavt hcp så har jeg fått intrykk av at man blir "sett opp til".

Jeg spiller fra 6,6 iflg. norske regler, leker litt med tanken om hva det hadde holdt til i Scotland. Da tenker jeg selvsagt ikke på en uke, men hvis man feks. hadde bodd der noen måneder. Hvis det bare er nedskrivning i turneringer så måtte man da deltatt i en del turneringer. Brian, du som kjenner Scotland, hadde man hatt sjans til å forsvare rundt 15 feks. ? Det blir jo selvsagt hypotetisk da men.... Det er jo vinter, man må jo kunne drive med litt tankeeksperiment :-)

Runar,

With your handicap of 6,6 (i don't know which course you play from though) I would recommend trying to get a ten or maybe 11.

Brian

Kongsberg.... så 12-14 da.... :-) Får litt 2-3 for mange slag på Kbg synes jeg....

Först och främst tycker jag att Ladyganks är en mycket trevlig bana.När det gäller Crail så skall man vara medveten om att de har två slingor där den äldre mot havet är helt överlägsen. Jag har spelat alla banor i S.T Andrews och tycker att den största behållningen är att ha upplevt atmosvären. En bana som får alldeles för lite uppmärksamhet och som är fantastiskt fin är Charleton, ca 10 minuter från Lundin Links som också är värt ett besök. Ett annat tips är att bo på Lundin Links Golf Hotel.
Lennart

Brian,

I'm thinking about playing Kingsbarns on a golftrip in May 2004 with some friends. Although all of my friends have a decent golfgame, they do all have a official handicap. Kingsbarns has a handicaplimit(28 I think). Can you tell me how strict they are with applying this handicaplimit??

gr, Mark.

Did you mean that they don't all have an official handicap? Yes the handicap limit is 28. When we played (about 12 of us) only a few of us had our handicap cards with us. You get asked by the started what your handicap is and you tell him and he then recommends a tee to you. It is up to you if you want to take the chance or not. Whoever rings to book the tee time should try to avoid the question and then you can say that nothing was mentioned on the phone about handicap cards.

I got on The Old Course last year without a handicap card....it's all about how you handle yourselves in the Pro shop..

If you want to get a decent price then ring up and try to get the fourball price which is sometimes cheaper. Otherwise you might be paying £135 per round.

Brian

Brian, thanks for the advice!!

Mark.

Brian, leser at du tok din Masters in Golf Course Architecture i Edinburgh, kunne tenke meg å få vi litt mer om dette studiet, varighet, krav og jobmuligheter. Lurer også på om noen andre her inne vet om andre studier som er mulige å ta i Scotland, spessielt St. Andrews.
Har hørt at man som innbygger i st. andrews kan være medlem på alle banene der for rundt tusen lappen

Mvh Jørgen

Jørgen,

Yes, I did study my Masters in Edinburgh. The course is run by The Edinburgh College of Art under the umbrella of Heriot-Watt university. The modules are as follows:

Golf Course Design
History - Golf course architecture and landscape architecture
Enviromental Science - Geomorphology and ecology
Golf Course Establishment and Management - study of grass species etc. Habitat creation etc
Golf Course Analysis - the study of existing golf courses and how to improve them
Professional Practice - Planning, Finance, Law, Specifications, Bills of Quantities etc
Study Tour - A week in St. Andrews and a week in the heathland courses in London.

The final three months was spent on the final dissertation which involves working on a 18 hole design on a real site just west of Glasgow. The final dissertation included a full 18 hole design with all drawings including earthworks, green designs, habitat creation, seeding and planting plans, Setting out plan, etc.. as well as a 3000 word report on how to get the course through planning together with a budget for construction and an analysis of the course and it's consequences for the environment and the local community.

The joining criteria for the course is a minimum of a degree or experience in the field of golf course design or construction. I got in because of my previous experience.

It is true about being able to get a year pass at St.Andrews for just over £120 if you are a resident. One of my good friends did exactly that, he studied at St.Andrews University on purpose just so that he could play the Old Course everyday!! You can buy his book about it on Amazon.com. It is called 'A golfer's Education' and is written by Darren Kilfara. Or you can borrow it off me.

If you want his e-mail just send me an e-mail and I will give to and he can advise you about everything there is to know about St.Andrews University.

Job opportunities in Golf Course Design are not that great at the moment due to the economy. Of the 13 that studied last year, I think only half are in full time employment at the moment.

It is a great life though, as my wife says 'Brian, you don't have a job, you are just lucky enough to work with your hobby!'

I hope this helps.

Brian

Hei Runar. Skal du spille på en innlandsbane, anbefaler jeg Downfield i Dundee. Da jeg var der, skulle de spille ha en proff-turnering dagen etter, og ci opplevde at banemannskapet klippet gresset rundt bunkerne med små håndsakser.