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Ojojoj, morsom video. Brian Philips "Norges eneste golfbanearkitekt" skal lage "kanskje landets beste bane" på Hustadmyra. Begrunnelse: Noen av verdens beste golfbaner ligger i slikt kystområde.
Hvor mange "landets beste baner" er blitt laget her i Norge tro? Med et budsjett på 20-30 mill burde dette være barnemat for herr Philips ;-)

The project is supported by both Kristiansund and Molde golf clubs. They do not have possiblities to build out 18 holes and representatives from both clubs have given the blessing to the project.

The reporter from rbnett.no has quoted me wrong. I never said that I was the only Golf Course Architect in Norway, I said I was the only GCA in Norway to have a Masters degree in Golf Course Architecture. I sent him an email asking to change the story but this has not yet been done.

The reason we believe (Niblick Golf Design) that the course can be the best in Norway is due to the location and the size of the land we are being allowed to work with. We have been given an are of over 220 hectares. Normally a high quality golf course requires around 80 hectares.

There is about 2 km of coastline that we hope to lay 6-8 holes along and the rest of the holes will be in a 'heathland' with still views of the ocean.

The area is superb and many of the holes are already there. There will be no problem with getting a 'championship' length in the course. One of the most important aspects is that we will also be able to get the width needed for strategic and fun golf for the 'normal' golfer due to size of the site.

The budget of 20 - 30 million is just for the golf course nothing else. As long as drainage goes well and planning permissions near the coastline are granted then there should be no problem with Graeme and myself in creating a superb course.

Brian Phillips
Niblick Golf Design.

Good luck with the project! Keep us posted with news and pictures :)

Hvis dette går iorden blir det plutselig mye mer interessant å besøke svigers på NordMøre.

Skjønner likevel ikke hva man skal med ENDA en mesterskapsbane i Molde...

Fjosok: du vet hvilken klegg du får på nakken når du er frekk :) Men den biter ikke så hardt den kleggen da.

tipper den var til Gunnar Bull.......

hihi..... :O)

HAHAHAHAHAHA ha

Hva skal til for å få en topp golfbane? Det er mange såkalte golfbane- arkitekter som har ødelagt mang en fin mark. Og de fleste har vel designet mange flere baner enn deg, Philips?

Synes det er flott at du har gått et år og lært ved St. Andrews (?), men et års utdannelse og noen få baner gjør deg vel ikke automatisk kvalifisert til å designe Norges beste bane?

Hvor mange baner har du egentlig designet? Og hva gjør deg god nok til å designe Norges beste bane? Er det banen på Geilo som er malen for dine kvaliteter?

Har du forresten vært og sett på Holtsmark? Tor nok du skal få kjempe litt før du overgår den designen! Men så er jo smaken som kjent delt..

Jeg bare spør.. Det er selvfølgelig mulig at du er feilsitert på andre ting enn "Norges eneste golfbanearkitekt", men det kna virke som du går ut med ganske høy sigarføring, og da må du vel tåle litt pepper..

Hvis flere i Norge hadde benyttet seg av ekspertise som Brian Phillips har, hadde vi hatt mange flere gode golfbaner i Norge. Han har og har hatt flere spennende prosjekter på gang og det er virkelig morro når vi får inn eksperthjelp utenfra. Vi nordmenn tror vi kan så mye, og har så mye kompetanse i klubbene våre. Det er nettopp da det går galt. Bedrifteiere og greenkeepere kan faktisk IKKE dette. Når dette blir overlatt til folk som kan dette (om de har 1 år eller 10 år spiller ingen rolle) da blir det bra. Det er altfor mange dugnadsbaner uten sjel og design her i landet, og uten ordentlig underlag som gjør at banene opplever problemer hvert år.

Eksperthjelp utenfra? Hvem da?

Vet ikke hvem startet denne tråden,men det er ikke planer for ny bane!!!

Hvilke spennende prosjekter har Philips hatt?

Egersund....

Det hadde vært bedre om kreftene kunne samlet seg rundt å bygge en 18 hullsbane i Molde. Panoramabanen vår er veldig fin og hvis vi hadde fått til 18 hull ville den stilt seg i køen blant norges mest spektakulære baner.

Men vi må vel ha flere "nessekonger" her også sånn som på alle andre plasser

Til: En som liker

Du skrev: "Det er altfor mange dugnadsbaner uten sjel og design her i landet, og uten ordentlig underlag som gjør at banene opplever problemer hvert år."

Mener du Haga og Miklagard? De hadde jo problemer i fjor og året før.

Tror ikke det er så enkelt. De samme problemene som Haga og MG hadde, hadde/har andre baner med jevne mellomrom. Klimaet her er ikke spesielt snilt

Niblick,
How can you build a course with good quality for MNOK 30? I have heard that the area is subject to a lot of rain and drainage could be a problem with a minimal budget (a course like Nøtterøy spent MNOK 20 on drainage alone, and that is in a dry area).

Anyway, I wish you the best of luck!

There are some good questions being asked. I would like to put one thing straight, Niblick Golf Design is owned 50/50 by Graeme Webster and myself. Graeme is one of the most experienced Architects in the business. I do not have his experience but I do have a knack for contracts, specifications, CAD and the computer side of the business. Out in the field we bounce off each other and come to agreements that both are happy with. I am the one that gives his opinions straight out whilst Graeme is the “gentleman” of the team. We also have a fantastic team of golf course constructors based in Aberdeen. Kenny Elrick our main Shaper is one of a kind and I doubt there are many in the world that are as good as he at shaping. Just visit Egersund and Stavanger this year to get an idea of what I talking about. On the next level of work the finishing team is again one of the best in Europe. People like Stuart, Morris and Cliff have all worked in Norway on courses like Holtsmark, Krokhol, Hakadal, Stavanger, Kvinesdal. Etc. You just have to ask any of the Managers at these clubs what they think of the work these guys have carried out.

What I am trying to say is to build a world class golf course it is not just the architect that is important, you need people building the course that have experience in golf course construction. That is one of the biggest mistakes in Norway. Many projects cannot afford (or will not use the money) to use experienced golf course constructors.

To go back to the questions about the project in Molde; Why can this be Norway’s best golf course? The piece of land towards the ocean is stunning. If we can find sand in the area which the land owner thinks there is then this can solve much of the drainage challenges. As has been mentioned, it RAINS a lot in this area. If we hit sand with our test digs and can use this sand on the whole course then drainage will not be a problem. The site at Nøtterøy is located in a dry area but it was also built on old farmland and forest area that does drain the same way a ‘linksland’ would drain in Molde. In the heathland area in Molde much of the drainage trenches are dug already and it will just be a case of feeding the surface drainage on the course to these existing trenches. I would be surprised that Nøtterøy used 20 M just on drainage unless that includes the lakes that were constructed there to collect drainage.

With regards to the budget at Molde, those prices are just a guide. We have not even done the Masterplan yet. Once a proposed plan is put forward to the ‘kommune’ and they do not have to many comments then a construction budget will be created for the client. Nothing has been decided yet. The ‘kommune’ might just advise the client to not even start..

This site compared to Miklagard is miles ahead in regards to soil conditions and location. Miklagard was a difficult and not too pretty site to work with whereas Molde reminds me of Crail in Scotland, just natural beauty. We also have more land to look at than any other course I have ever heard of in Norway.

What projects are we involved that are exciting at the moment? Egersund will hopefully open this year and will become the most stunning nine hole course in Norway. It was an absolutely fantastic site to work on. All the fairways are sand capped and there should not be any problems with drainage there. We had to move 120 000 m3 of peat to get to the sand underneath.

Sirdal is another little course that is going to be great fun to play. Hole 1 is a stunner and hole 5 the par 3 is beautiful. Superb little mountain course.

The Par 3 course and driving range at Kvinesdal is going to be such a great place to practice and learn golf. I do not know of a higher quality built Par 3 course in Norway. It is being built on slag with sand based greens. It has shots over lakes and small ponds etc. A real treat that both Graeme and I are proud of. We were on site last week and it is coming along really well.

The work we did at Stavanger last year was fun. I lived on site most of the five weeks while we rebuilt and redesigned the two greens there. I think we have improved hole ten tremendously and the contours on both greens now encourage the surface drainage. The chipping areas around both greens are really fun and challenging now. We will hopefully be redesigning three greens this year in September.

Down in Grimstad we are in charge of the construction and design of two new holes that will be finished in two weeks time and will eventually be part of nine new holes for the club. We are about to create the specification of the next phase with construction due to start in the autumn.

In Scotland Graeme has just finished redesigning Murcar Links that will host the Challenge Tour in July. We also designed the new training area for the club.

He is also just about to start construction on a new nine hole course near Kingennie which also has cabins, three superb fishing ponds and lots of other activities.

We have just had discussions with property developers in Turkey about a resort course, in Portugal we are in talks with a couple contacts but nothing definite. We will also be in Finland at the end of June to look at a couple of projects.

In the middle of June, we will be creating a Masterplan for Oustøen Country Club to look at restoring and possibly redesigning parts of the course to meet advancing technology changes.

Niblick Golf Design and Team Niblick may not be as big as Trent Jones jr. or the Nicklaus design companies but we can deliver the same quality in design if given the correct construction budgets. I have no doubt in my mind about that but we must be given the correct site and a decent budget.

Give Molde a chance and if we do get a budget that can create something special then I am sure it can be Norway’s best course but we must get support from the ‘kommune’ and of course the construction budget first. We have one thing going for us and that is LOCATION.

The existing Molde golf course cannot be built out to 18 holes and it is a very tight but beautiful golf course.

Thanks for your questions and time.

Brian Phillips
Niblick Golf Design

Thanks Brian, I appreciate the answers.

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Banen i Molde er planlagt til 18 hull. Det er plass til det og det er tegnet inn. Det eneste som mangler er penger..... Jeg har sett planene og det kan bli ganske spektakulært oppunder fjellsiden og tildels oppå fjellet...

Dette er spennende planer, men jeg skulle ønske at vi kunne bygge 1 fullverdig 18 hullsbane med alle fasiliteter i Romsdal. Men som tidligere sagt. Nessekongene ruler vel.....

Jeg ser ingen grunn til å tvile på Phillips er kapabel til å lage den fineste banen..... i Molde..... :)

Banen er designet av vår egen eminente Odd Roar Nesje. Han klarer nok saken videre også. Det som mangler er en rik onkel.....

Dyktige banedesignere står i kø for å lage norges beste bane i havgapet!
Livet er herlig dere :-)